Posts by life is to short

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Any "inappropriate" or "saucy" conversations out in Field Service car groups???

by Gojira_101 in

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i thought of one that happened to me, i think i was 16 and regular pioneering at the time.

i was in fs with my friend, i think she had to be about 18, and we were in a van with older married sisters, my friend and i were the only single ones.

there were 6 of us in this van and my friend and i of course were forced to sit in the back (meaning we couldn't escape by jumping out of a moving van), anyway, the conversation turned to discussing molestation.. the two oldest sisters sitting in the front then started going into detail about how they had been molested, and it wasn't just "i was molested by..." no they went into detail.. i was shocked!

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There was one sister who was an elders wife and pioneer who felt all sisters should wear throng underwear. I mean she went on and and on about it. It was like she was the underwear police and I thought for some minutes she was going to check what all of us had on. It was beyond maddening. Also how she LOOOOOOOOOOVED oral sex, I mean she LOVED IT! but to please Jehovah she and her husband were refraining from it. Why we needed to know that was beyond my thinking.

She was also one of the most looked up to and respected women in the hall. All the elders loved her and thought she walked on water. She was always on assembly parts and used when ever an elder could.

This is only the tip of what I could say about field service it was truly stupid what was talked about in service. I am a very privite person and what was talked about made me feel very uncomfortable. I truly used to wonder where Jehovah's angles were and why they allowed it.

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JW women in critical condition after being attacked by pit bull while out in service

by JimmyPage in

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http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20130319_11_0_twowom831238.

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I was bitten seven times in field service. I was terrified of dogs but I was married to an elder and we were pioneers working where the CO deemed the need was great which was the country and everyone had dogs.

Even if the house holder had beware of dog signs posted, etc it did not matter because we had to go to warn them of Jehovah's wrath.

I was so scarred so many times, I would sometimes beg and plead not to go to a door because of the dogs but I was always belittled and put down and told that I lacked faith and where was my trust in Jehovah?

When I would get bit I was told it was my fault that I did not have enough faith, etc. I remember one time the householder was just in a really bad mood and she had this blue healer kind of dog, it was my door and she was just frustrated that us JW's were bothering her the dog was in the way and she kicked the dog out the door and as he ran by me he bit me hard right below my knee. It hurt like heck and I was not sure if I was bleeding, I was not so mad at the dog as he had just been kicked really hard himself but I was in so much pain. The lady slammed the door in our face and as I limped back to the car my husband asked me why I allowed the dog to bit me. I just wanted to cry.

The dog did not break my skin but it bruised really bad, it did tissue damage and I had this ugly bruise that took six months to heal.
Another time the householder was rude and slammed the door in our face as we were leaving the yard I felt a sharp pain in my ankle and looked down to see a small dog biting me. The householder came running out scarred out of his mind that we were going to sue him. He grabbed the dog and apologized his brains out. I was bleeding but my husband told him I was fine and processed to spend the next hour talking to this guy who stood and listened just glad we were not going to sue him.

When we finally got back to the car my husband told me Jehovah let the dog bit me as now the householder was able to get a witness, I kid you not. There was no mention of how I was, if I was hurt, or needed to at the very least wipe the blood of my ankle, it was just carry on as usual.

To me what hurt more then the pain of being bit which truly did hurt but what hurt the most was the reaction of the JW's I was with including my husband and that was to put the blame on me. It was my lack of faith, my not being strong enough, my having a fear of dogs, my not trusting in Jehovah enough, etc. And for the longest time I believed all the garbage that I was being told. None of the other JW's seemed to have the problem with dogs that I did, and I bought into the fact that it must be me that Jehovah was mad at me, etc.

Not one JW ever asked me once after I was bit if I was OK or showed any concern toward me at all including my husband. I was blamed for every dog bit I received.

That pain I carry until today.

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Post cataract surgery Great News!

by Lady Lee in

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my vision before the surgery was 20/60 in the eye that has had the surgery.

i saw my eye dr today and it has moved up to 20/30.

this is way beyond what i expected.

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But, they're so HAPPY!

by stillin in

you can't deny it.

smiling and brimming with good cheer.

is it sort of like the person who buys a lemon of a car and won't admit it?

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I too put on a happy face, I would make the comments that you never have a bad day in field service doing Jehovah's work. That this is not the real life and that we should pioneer now as we will have forever in the new system.

I told everyone I was so happy but I was dying inside. I thought about suicide almost every waking minute while I went door to door. My husband and I never had a family as he was always busy being an elder. Looking back I truly remember no happy times but I lied to myself and believed the lie. I was so depressed it was unreal and I did not know where or how to get help.

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Taking Elders Out of their Comfort Zone; The Little Room

by TMS in

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in the mid-90's my wife faced a bogus charge of gossiping.

the charge was based on a fleshly sister of a jw easedropping on a conversation.

we fought the charge with the elders unable to produce any credible report of the actual conversation.

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OTWO I know that elders are not to talk to sisters alone and I knew it then also, I kick myself for going into the room alone but it happened a lot to me and I truly thought that it was God's true religion and I had nothing to fear.

I was so wrong, the elders loved to get me alone and say hurtful things to me which when I brought up to others what the elder had said to me the elders quickly denied everything. I look back now and am amazed at what all happened to me. Even my husband allowing it as after the huge battle over the pedophile and my being told I had to accept him as a brother in the truth or ELSE I went to talk to the than PO COBE at his home this was just in 2010. This guy was OLD in his early 90's but his mind was sharp. He sent his wife out of the room so it was just him and myself. He just started LYING. Telling me I was making up everything from my own abuse, that he knew my father and he knew my father never abused me. Than he went on to the fact that the pedophile never raped kids. He was saying that the pedophile deserved a chance and I was causing divisions in the hall by my dislike of the child molester.

I had brought my Bible with me and I was showing him scriptures from the Bible which ticked him off to no end as I was just a women how dare I.

He finally starting shaking and told me I was a woman who needed to know her place in the hall and I was stepping out of LINE.

Why I allowed myself to be lead into the backroom alone and why I went with them I cannot answer now. Never in a million years would I allwow myself to be treated that way now. And why my husband did not flip seeing me crying my eyes out over how horrible they talked to me is mind boggling to me now why did he not throw a fit when he saw me alone with these elders? I just think we were both kind of blind sided by it all. My husband could not and still is having a hard time seeing the reality that they hid pedophiles in the hall even through it is right in front of him. We just got into a fight about it again last night in that they have reinstated the pedophile and he is back going door to door, but it is in the next hall over and my husband is swearing to me that NOW the pedophile is going flanked by three to four elders. I was so flipped out last night fighting with my husband over it, how stupid can my husband be. I told him it never happened in our hall but he said the other hall is different. Yeh right. And why does a pedophile need to go door to door flanked by three to four men????????????????????????????????

I was just such a true believer that I never thought something like this would happen. My husband thought he knew these men they were his fellow elders and they way they turned on him also was amazing and why my husband still goes to the meetings and puts himself around this sucm drives me crazy. These elders could care less about my husband when he had his heart attacks they still kept dumping on him all of the stuff that they as elders would not do. All the ones in the hall who had problems my husband was the one who the elders gave these people to because these elders needed to spend time with their family's and they just did not have the energy to handle the crazies in the hall they can only help the pedophiles.

What I cannot understand is why the elders put themselves to be alone with me. They were the ones who initiated talking to me alone. I never asked to speak to any elder alone. They were the ones dragging me into the backroom and the friends in the hall saw it and yet said nothing! Then they said I was crazy and I was mentally ill and I was insane.

I truly felt I was going crazy as they denied, denied, denied, denied, denied everything they said to me alone, it was so crazy making I could not wrap my mind around it.

I really think in my heart that they were trying to drive me insane or to have me commit suicide but for what reason I do not understand.

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Taking Elders Out of their Comfort Zone; The Little Room

by TMS in

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in the mid-90's my wife faced a bogus charge of gossiping.

the charge was based on a fleshly sister of a jw easedropping on a conversation.

we fought the charge with the elders unable to produce any credible report of the actual conversation.

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I have had experiences very similar to your wife's. When the pedophile first moved in the hall I attended my husband was an elder, the school overseer. Yet it did not stop the other elders from talking to me alone in the back room and unlike your wife I went along with it, oh how I wish I had not gone along with the elders in talking to them alone. I will never forget this one time when the attorney elder we have in the hall got really mad at me and told me to come with him. He yanked me into the back room alone and started to yell at me telling me that my husband and I made him look bad and he did not like that. He felt he had egg on his face and NO ONE EVER MADE HIM LOOK LIKE HE HAD EGG ON HIS FACE AND WOULD GET AWAY WITH IT!!!

Now mind you I was alone with this elder in the back room, it was now my word against his of anything he said. I started crying as I was so blindsided by his anger and he was PISSED AT ME!I was really a true believer and I never thought in a million years this could be happening. I went home that night and tried to commit suicide by taking to many sleeping pills. I never told my husband that I took the pills.

My husband walked in and asked what we were doing alone in the back room together and this elder glared at me, told my husband he was washing his hands of us and stormed out of the room. But this elder wasn't done his goal was to destroy me and drive me from the hall so he could keep the pedophile in. Which he did.

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Hate Crime against Members of a Congregation

by cantleave in

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i recieved this email from an active witness regarding "hate crimes" against members of the congregation he/she attends.

it is interesting as to how the elders are dealing with it.. .

for some time our hall has been suffering minor vandalism.

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It happened to me when we were first married there was a MS who was DF'ed and he threatened to come over and kill my elder husband. I truly believed he meant it. My husband down played it and said the guy was all talk but my husband did call an elder in the next hall over to try to calm down. The other elder called back after being on the phone with this DF'ed MS and told us to get out of the house as he thought the guy meant it. My husband would not leave and so I spent a sleepless night worried sick. The next moring at field service this guys wife said he had guns loaded and he was walking out the door with the other elder called him, he was going to come over and kill us both I have not a doubt.

That morning my husband called Bethel and asked what to do. The first person my husband spoke to at Bethel told us to go straight to the police so as we were walking out the door to go to the police station the phone rang just as I was locking the door, oh how I wish I had not answered it. It was Bethel calling back and a different guy at Bethel told my husband under no way were we to get the police involved. We were to leave it in Jehovah's hand.

The MS went on to stalk me for the rest of the time we lived there over two years. Threatening to kill me and my husband, calling when I was home alone while my husband was at elder meetings, telling me that he had killed my husband, etc. This guy came into where I worked and threatened to kill me and even my coworkers were scared. Everyone in the hall told me I was the one who was crazy and that I was making a big deal out of nothing including my hsuband.

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WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations

by flipper in

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however- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.

just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.

to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .

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I totally remember it. "Stay alive till 75" It just makes my blood boil when I hear ones like the PO COBE's elder son who was born in 1978 say it was all made up and it never happened. He is now in his mid 30's and is saying to all of us who remember it are making it out to be more than it was and his COBE dad just sits there and lets him do it.

I was going to be 12 when 1975 was supposed to come, I was scared out of my mind. I thought Jehovah hated me because my parents hated me and I could not please Him anymore then I could make my parents happy. I guess I was like Calbe trying to not make Jehovah sad. I remember thinking when I was 9 years old that I had three years of life left then when I was 10 two years of life left I totally counted down the months to the end of my life at the age of 12. When the fall of 1975 came and went I was relived in so many ways but some ways I wished that Jehovah had just killed me as parents still hated me so much. Yet Jehovah gave my my parents and he would be so sad to know that I did not like them.

It just still makes me so mad to hear ones say that it never happened, I remember some of the JW's not going to the doctor when they were sick or this one elder who bought a set of tires for his car and he called them his Armageddon tires the last set he would ever have to buy in this system. Oh how I remember that time in my life and to be told that I made it up when I was just a child is so crazy making.

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Candace Conti v. Watchtower | March 11, 2013 | Watchtower Society Appeal Dismissed For Failure To File Opening Brief

by jwleaks in

edit correction:.

the court web site lisiting reflects the following below, but we have been informed that the watchtower society has been given yet another extension until march 26, 2013.. the below post will be left as is, for those who may have wondered what happened.. .

congratulations candace conti.

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That is what I was thinking March 26th is the Memorial. Maybe they are waiting on Jehovah!

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Part 1 of the 2013 Conti and Simons interview now on YouTube (questions posed by JWN members)

by cedars in

a while back we ran a "competition" whereby people could pose questions of candace conti and rick simons for them to answer in a video.. there were so many questions that we needed to do a series rather than just one video.

this first instalment is now on youtube.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhvfefpig4a.

here are the questions that were answered.... (to rick, asked by "exwhyzee") is there a possibility that part of the ruling, if you overcome the appeal, will be that the society must make an announcement outlining the details of the case to its members, as well as an apology to candace?.

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Thank you so much it really means a lot to have people like you Cedars on this board that are doing such a great job in letting us know what is happening.

I cannot express in words how much your posts and insight have meant to me, the way you reason and come to cconclusions on matters helps explain things so much easier for me and it has really helped me to reason with my husband, in fact he just watched this YouTube with me and thought it was very well done yet he is now getting ready to go to the meeting. Not that long ago he would never have even thought of watching something like this.

Just thank you so much for all of your hard work. I know you are helping people to see the TTATT better.

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